Bonafide,
Don’t bang your head against the wall too much, it’s a large organization. It’s not all on your head. Allot of people have been hurt by the Org but there are worst things in the world that need changing. Take some time for yourself. Do things you had always put off doing because this system was going to end.
You can always go hard-line Apostate but if you’re trying to change families or friends it probably won’t work. If you start throwing out stuff like COC books and words like “cult” it will probably turn them off to your ideas.
Or you can try to hit the grey areas. One idea is to maybe do some volunteer service in your community. Something innocuous like planting trees. I think Arbor Day is non-religious. Something like this would provoke allot questions and send Elders scurrying to their STF books. “Can JW’s plant trees?”, “Don’t we care about the environment?”, “Do we?”, “Brother Bonafide asked me to plant trees with him, should I?”. “Shouldn’t we be in field service instead?”, “But Dad watches football after the meetings, shouldn’t he be in field service instead?”, “Is planting trees really that bad?”.
Just an idea. Plus I’m just curious as to what would happen.
C. T.
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My experience at the District Convention today - Appreciate your comments
by BonaFide ini know i am the one to constantly harp on this board how the organization has lost its "swagger" and the baptism and attendance is going down, and people are waking up.. not so fast.. the audience cried, i mean a lot of people cried when they played some of the songs from the new songbook.
some had bethel singers who sounded pretty good singing them.
so many after the program were saying how touched they were.. then the new release of the book showing how the book of acts prefigures the organization today.
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How long will the WTBTS survive?
by Megachusen ingive it your best educated guess.
how long do you guys think it has left?.
personally, i think it has about 10 years before the org's leadership disolves and the religion splinters into hundreds of adorable little jw-like cults..
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They will always be around, though they will probably look allot different. Compare how they look today to 100yrs ago. They have to much money to just disappear in 10 years. Any splinter groups just won't have the money to survive.
If there ever was a splinter group my vote is that it will occur in Zambia.
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Try this one:
I'm out of posts for today :(
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Challenge #6 (The Spirit IS Like Jesus) ~ GS / JBeD / Serious JWs
by 4examp inchallenge: do you agree that 10 greek words unite to show that the holy spirit ~ is (a person) ~ like jesus?.
the spirit, our 1helper/advocate/lawyer, is the 2holy, 3everlasting, 4eternal, 5lord, 6god, who is 7truth, & 8raised up christ, & 9makes alive; & we should be 10baptized in his name.. the wt claims: ~ "the scriptures themselves unite to show that god's holy spirit is not a person"(insight p.1019, & aid p.1543).. the scriptures themselves show just the opposite !.
10 greek words prove, that what is true of god the son (&/or god the father) is also true of god the holy spirit.
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It’s not a tough crowd. I think you just have the wrong crowd. Serious JW’s are not supposed to be on a site like this. You’ve already been told Greg Stafford and Jason BeDuhn are not on here either. I’m sure someone can help you but if you want them to take the time to answer your questions they probably would like to know what your story is or at least have an idea of where you’re going with all this.
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Who likes Battlestar Galactica?
by Dogpatch inbattlestar galactica is one of my most favorite of all tv shows, too bad it is over.
never watched the first series, but the new one is great.
mostly for the character development and the ethics issues it raises and addresses.
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odd-shaped paper - the sitrep reports. Adama did'nt like networked computers so no emails. Everything had to be on paper.
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I hate the CO
by superman inso i was talking to my mother the other day, and she was distressed because she was saying that if my little sister isn't baptized or working toward it by the time she's 18 (which is coming up soon) she may have to move out (more then likely she'll move in with me and my girlfriend, or my older sister if that happens).
my little sister is a great kid (high honor roll, no trouble, hard worker, etc), that many parents would be grateful to have.
i asked my mom, why would they take parenting advice from a guy who doesn't (and hasn't) ever had kids?
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In the Circuit I'm from this had always been enforced. It may be different in other areas. If an Elder has a child that doesn't seem to be progressing, his duties as "Head of Houshold" take precedence. It's not really something new.
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Is this true
by superman ini've been faded and moved out of the area where my records are kept (the old hall i last attended).
the elders there don't bother calling me anymore and even if they did, i've moved so far away that they couldn't stop over for a visit anyway.
since i am in a new area now where no jw's even no that i exist, life is pretty good (i can live a normal life without having to look over my shoulder).
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superman
What blondie says is true. It really depends on the local elders from your home congregation. Most elders won't take the time to follow up if you have moved out of the area. I had one call but it was just a "hello" call. If you don't make a scene they won't call you again.
I did ask one time if it nesecarry to disfellowship or mark someone if they are obvoyusily no longer a JW, but have been inactive for some time. The answer I received was "if they are not recognized by the congregation or the community as JW's its not nesecarry to follow up with them."
But if you are still keeping contact with old friends in the Hall (like you said above), atttending weddings, funerals or anything else your just asking for trouble.
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DF or DA what do you think the difference is?
by Rosey ini would like to know from everyone first of all what they think the difference is between a df'd person and a da'd person.. i would also like to know what everyone thinks that jw's think is the difference between a df'd and da'd person.. personally i am df'd.
i was df'd 10 years ago almost and did not argue it at all as i had no desire to continue as a jw anyway.
before being df'd i was always under the impression that if a person da'd themselves it almost always meant they were " apostate" and that there was no way a jw should have any contact with them.
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Quirky1 and Berean
Lawsuit time? Has anyone ever successfully sued a religious organization for DF\Excommunication? The only examples I’ve seen have been when the member had a financial or a paid salary association. I don’t picture anyone having a legal ground to sue the WTB&TS Inc. anymore then I have a right to sue my book club for kicking me out. Not trying to make a point, just curious.
As for merging the announcement statements I can see this happening, surprised it already hasn’t. Most congregations easily brush off DF announcements as someone being horny. But DA really stirs up the hornets’ nest. Too many questions about “Why did they do that?”, “Are they apostate?” and the feared “Do they know something I don’t know?”
